I had the opportunity to have lunch with Jason H and Mark G (the two geniuses behind this blog) during fall break. Jason was recounting some of the comments that were made on those surveys we did in September and one of them really got to me. Jason said that someone said that Rule #9 was just a way for staff to get out of work. Hello! I hope this was from one of our "fall freeloaders" and not a summer person. People - you have been "spoon fed" most of the knowledge you have by teachers who have been pressured by their "superiors" to improve test scores. You have become knowledge "regurgitators" but you do not have the capacity to use that knowledge. (Not all of you, but too many!) Rule #9 is all about using that knowledge in practical problem solving. In my 6th grade band, I have kids who will walk up to me in the middle of class and ask me a question - no hand, no asking permission! I usually send them back to their seat without an answer. Why? Because I'm to lazy to help? Nope! As I point out to these kids if I spent just 1 minute with each student answering a question we would have 3 minutes of band class every day. Now multiply that by 5 with the high school band and, well you get the idea! Beyond simple logistics, Rule #9 is all about having you, the student, learn to identify a problem, explore solutions and, ultimately solve the problem yourself or by committee (with your friends - ask three ask me)
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Coming from "the other side" of education I can say that probably the biggest thing I got from my education at Rose-Hulman is the ability to think for myself.
ReplyDeleteOn a day to day basis in my job I use very little I actually learned in class from bookwork (learned to regurgitate) but I have to "figure it out" all the time.
Nobody has ever done what I'm doing and I can't go ask the band directors what to do!! Rule #9 is just a "little taste of college"!!
There is a difference between having kids who just do something to bug you, getting up in the middle of class, and kids who actually need help. You guys have often blown some of us off by saying rule #9 and not actually listening to the problem. Once in a while, yeah, it can wait. Instrument problems create more problems. and You do not often listen to all of them. Besides some of us actually try to find the problem before we go running to you. We are not educated in how to fix instruments. This is my opinion, before you say rule #9, listen to our questions!
ReplyDeleteI agree with Kayla. The reason why I agree is because there has been some situations that either some people that I know or I have done the ask 3 ask me thing and you have basically just blown us off and just told us to ask 3 then ask me and then what do we do because we are just right back in the same boat as we were to begin with.
DeleteBut I must say i do agree with the ask 3 ask me. Because there are some questions that can be answered by other students but when it comes to instruments or even a spot in the drill for the summer shows.
Thanks for you time
ashley
You know i didnt do summer band because i was a little more intrested in church but during that time when i wasnt there i did a lot of thinking and what concerns me is (now i dont always do what i think) is that everyone is so concerned about everyone hearing them alone in a band full of 200+ well sorry to you people but its not going to happen we're a band a team so rule #9 should work rather well if we're working together but thats the problem we're not we're all more concerned about me me me(myself included) and its time to get down to the core of the problem freshmen dont ask upper classmen because their scared or their stuck up and thats what i've seen and upper classmen are to concieted to ask thats why this year since i didnt do summer band i introduced myself to every freshmen at least in my section upper classmen they need to know who we are i'll be the first one to say i don't know everything but i'll be the first one to do something about it so band in short lets get it together and be kind to one another at least while your in band and become better i would like to beat southside my senior year so lets get to it
ReplyDeleteI have always thought that Rule Number 9 is a good way to get us to think for ourselves and learn to deal with our own problems, rather than having someone else walk us through them. But, also have always wandered what exactly the other eight rules where. I mean really, doesn't this bother anyone else?
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DeleteRule #9 is actually one of 15 unwritten rules used by the Glassmen Drum and Bugle Corps as guidelines for the corps members. Since they are unwritten and I have nevber been a member of the Glassmen, I have no idea what the others are. I read about Rule #9 in an article written by a former Glassmen member who was explaining why it was one of the best lessons she learned while a member.
Daddy V
I DO NOT think that it is right to say that the kids that didn't tdo summer band are "fall freloaders"!!!!!!!! some people maybe were just to lazy but NOT ALL there are some kids that didn't do summer to get a break one last time befor college or they just weren't aloud because of parents there are others that couldnt do summer not because they didn't want to but because it was impossible due to haveing another activity or having to work!!!!!!!!! I don';t think it is right for staff to degrade those who didn't do summer and this is coming from someone that HAS done summer all three years that i have been able!!!...
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ReplyDeletei understand that the staff get agrivated about kids asking dumb questions BUT some of us do need questions answered that noone else can answer!! we say there is something wrong with our instrement "figure it out" we are not trained in that area!!! we forget were our spot is "figure it out" that you should be able to figure out bye asking three but some thing like instrement you can't figure out!!!
As a new kid this summer it was kind of hard to "figure it out" with some things, because I really didn't know a lot. Like Kayla said, there are some things we just can't do. I know you guys are all very busy working things out for our show and helping other people, but sometimes it gets frustrating... I can see where Rule #9 can be a good thing, though. With some people they DO know what to do, but refuse to do it themselves. The people who are neither shouldn't be punished for those who are a bit "slow" or whatever they are. I am not saying Rule #9 is a bad thing, because it does require us to step back and think a second. Most of the time older kids are willing to help us "newbies", but sometime even THEY don't know what to do. Can't we just get a second to tell you we can't figure it out this time?
ReplyDeleteI also agree with rule #9. i think that it is a great way to get kids thinking on their own, which is something you need for marching band. but i also agree with kayla, and think that you should listen to us kids a little bit more. Dont forget that one of your rules is,"ask three, then ask me". When you reject our questions, how do you know that we havent already asked 3 people?
ReplyDeleteI think that rule number nine can be benificial but it is a better idea to constantly remind us whats going on. I personally am someone of bad memory. You tell me something at the beginning of practice and i will forget it minutes later. I dont do this becuase im a bad kid a just go throught the rest of practice working very hard and the info just slips my mind. Also if no one in the oh i dont know 200+ people hear what you say it kinda sabatogizes your whole ask 3 then ask me thing. But besides that if it is a simple thing that we can figure out on our own we should be able to use rule number 9. there it is from the Hickey.
ReplyDeleteI can tell you from a staff stand point... I rarely use "figure it out" unless it is well deserved. Let me give you an example.... the entire band is walking off the trailor with their uniforms, and a band kid walks up to me and asks "should we be getting our uniforms right now?" Now seriously tell me that question was necessary to ask? There are many times that if you would just stop and think a second, and maybe look around at what everyone else is doing, most likely you can "figure out" what you are supposed to be doing. As far as instrument concerns go, I'll let you all in on a secret... it's all about timing. If you have a problem, we can't always drop everything to take care of it. Sometimes just wait until after rehearsal or a break to approach a staff member and tell them about your issues. I am sure you can think of times that people have interrupted rehearsal for instrument issues, and been told to "see me after class or practice." Just stop and think... is this a good time, or is this person swamped with other problems?
ReplyDeleteWe wouldn't tell you to "figure it out" if we didn't think you could!
I completely agree with you Nutmeg! It really is all about timing. Why would you go up to a director and tell them your horn is broken when you are in the middle of a rehearsal or just getting ready for a competition or something along those lines...just remember all you kids out there, TIMING is the key to any questions you are going to ask. Heres a tip.....try to talk to the band director who isn't busy - this should help!
DeleteRule #9 Is a great way to learn to take care of yourself but somtimes we really do need help, and somtimes I feel that the staff are not willing to help those of us who need the help. And I really do love the band program during the summer but I really think that the staff can take the proper consideration in helping the band be a better one.
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When i first came into summer band, and hearing Rule number 9 all the time really bothered me, until I was told it ment to figure it out. I agree with it though, but sometimes you do need to help us out instead of telling us " Rule number nine". And do the freshmen coming in next year. Thell them Rule number 9 means figure it out.
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